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No update?
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Still waiting on pythonista beta release to app store. the lack of shared directory access (resolves in the beta) greatly diminishes the value of the app. @omz please release it to the app store.
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@cvp, I guess the biggest obstacle for a smooth ”Pythonista UI/Pyto pandas” experience is that Pyto needs to pop in front while it’s executing?
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@mikael yes, that's why a split view of Pythonista and Pyto both running could be the solution
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The solution suggested between pythonista and pyto is ugly, awful and stupid. If omz stopped updating pythonista, we should abandon it, too. Just let is dead. I’m trying pyto now. Thank god I have pycharm so I don’t have to view or write code with pyto.
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@timtim said:
The solution suggested between pythonista and pyto is ... stupid
Thanks a lot
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@timtim On the other hand, I consider stupid and useless the constant ranting against Pythonista, his active community and against some very active/skilled people here. Those who propose solutions or try to study them and make them available to others not only do something worthy of note but keep alive the interest and freedom to dream of many users, it is the most important thing for me.
Take a tour in this forum (since six years ago) and you will see that there are many posts where people have written very interesting thing and what thay have written, driven by their passion for something, have allowed other people to start dreaming or simply to be more productive with Pythonista.
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@Matteo do not worry. Sometimes I feel like @lpl is back ...
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@Matteo The forum is alive but how about the author of Pythonista? Do you think the forum can stay alive even the application is dead? I don't think so.
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- And even if omz push Pythonista to App Store this time, how about the next version? We still have to wait for 2 years? After 2 years, I think Python 4.0 will be released, while we are still using Python 3.6.1. Guys, I really don't understand why are you so optimistic about all these things. Yeah, of course we can use it now and of course you can still use Windows XP and Python 2, just don't try to force all of the users to keep waiting Pythonista 3.3.
- We already waited for 2 years, and you just keep waiting and begging omz to update? Did he show up? He just said, oh, I'm coming.And you just wait like a dog waiting for food. But what did he do? From early 2019 to the end of 2019.
- Maybe you think it is normal for an application like this, but not for me and my friends.
- And don't tell me about Pyto. Imaging that you installed Python 3.6.1 2 years ago and python.org didn't release any updates about python any more, and after waiting for 2 years, you are told that python.org will close in 2 days. What would you think? Just smile and then try other tools?
- I don't know why are you so optimistic. Maybe you are using WIndows XP, iOS 5.0 and Python2?
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Hello Ole,
I am back on the app store version again. Why not just release the last beta to the app store? It was pretty stable. Come on don't be shy and just push the button !;-)
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Please release the beta version of Pythonista now in its current state, because the beta is much more stable than the app store version.
Since ios13 is released the external files function for folders is broken. I think this is a must for all developers here, which are using Working Copy.
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I know, it is stupid, but, please, let me have fun.
I launch a Pyto script and a Pythonista script, sharing a local file in
Files App/On my Ipad/Pythonista_to_Pyto/pythonista_to_pyto.txt.
Both apps run together in MultiView MultiTasking, only to show that both apps could dialog...
but, I agree, if too ugly, don't watch this videoPythonista script
import ui from math import pi,cos,sin class MyClass(ui.View): def __init__(self, *args, **kwargs): super().__init__(*args, **kwargs) self.iv = ui.View() self.r = ui.get_screen_size()[0]/2 self.iv.frame = (0,6,self.r*2,self.r*2) self.iv.corner_radius = self.r self.iv.background_color = 'gray' self.add_subview(self.iv) self.c = ui.View() self.ri = self.r / 10 self.c.frame = (0,0,self.ri*2,self.ri*2) self.c.corner_radius = self.ri self.c.background_color = 'red' self.iv.add_subview(self.c) self.path = '/private/var/mobile/Containers/Shared/AppGroup/E778DE4A-FE79-42E6-9200-353821BFF879/File Provider Storage/Pythonista_to_Pyto/pythonista_to_pyto.txt' self.update_interval = 0.02 self.ang = 0 def update(self): self.ang += 1 a = self.ang*pi/180 self.c.x = self.r + (self.r-self.ri)*cos(a) - self.ri self.c.y = self.r + (self.r-self.ri)*sin(a) - self.ri r = str(self.c.x)+','+str(self.c.y) with open(self.path,mode='wt') as fil: fil.write(r) def layout(self): w = self.bounds.size[0] self.iv.x = w - 2*self.r if __name__ == '__main__': mc = MyClass(bg_color='white', name='Pythonista') mc.present('fullscreen')
Pyto script
import pyto_ui as ui from math import pi,cos,sin from UIKit import UIScreen from time import sleep import threading class my_thread(threading.Thread): def __init__(self,view): threading.Thread.__init__(self) self.view = view def run(self): path = '/private/var/mobile/Containers/Shared/AppGroup/E778DE4A-FE79-42E6-9200-353821BFF879/File Provider Storage/Pythonista_to_Pyto/pythonista_to_pyto.txt' ang = 0 while True: #sleep(0.01) with open(path,mode='rt') as fil: r = fil.read() try: xy = r.split(',') self.view.c.x = float(xy[0]) self.view.c.y = float(xy[1]) except Exception as e: if str(e) == "could not convert string to float: ''": continue print(str(e)) break class MyClass(ui.View): def __init__(self, *args, **kwargs): super().__init__(*args, **kwargs) self.background_color = ui.COLOR_WHITE self.title = 'Pyto' self.iv = ui.View() self.r = UIScreen.mainScreen.bounds.size.width/2 self.iv.frame = (0,0,self.r*2,self.r*2) self.iv.corner_radius = self.r self.iv.background_color = ui.COLOR_GRAY self.add_subview(self.iv) self.c = ui.View() self.ri = self.r / 10 self.c.frame = (0,0,self.ri*2,self.ri*2) self.c.corner_radius = self.ri self.c.background_color = ui.COLOR_RED self.add_subview(self.c) server_thread = my_thread(self) server_thread.start() if __name__ == '__main__': mc = MyClass() ui.show_view(mc,ui.PRESENTATION_MODE_FULLSCREEN)
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@timtim said:
- And even if omz push Pythonista to App Store this time, how about the next version? We still have to wait for 2 years? After 2 years, I think Python 4.0 will be released, while we are still using Python 3.6.1. Guys, I really don't understand why are you so optimistic about all these things. Yeah, of course we can use it now and of course you can still use Windows XP and Python 2, just don't try to force all of the users to keep waiting Pythonista 3.3.
- We already waited for 2 years, and you just keep waiting and begging omz to update? Did he show up? He just said, oh, I'm coming.And you just wait like a dog waiting for food. But what did he do? From early 2019 to the end of 2019.
- Maybe you think it is normal for an application like this, but not for me and my friends.
- And don't tell me about Pyto. Imaging that you installed Python 3.6.1 2 years ago and python.org didn't release any updates about python any more, and after waiting for 2 years, you are told that python.org will close in 2 days. What would you think? Just smile and then try other tools?
- I don't know why are you so optimistic. Maybe you are using WIndows XP, iOS 5.0 and Python2?
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But in my opinion if Python.org updates Python to 4.0 version, it automatically doesn't mean it is a good thing also for Pythonista developer...it is like a car that has a lot of electronics: it is good for those who sell electronic components, not always for those who have to buy or maintain them (in this example the seller would be python.org or Apple (with ios versions) and who would buy and maintain the updates by python.org or Apple is omz: yes, about python no expense of money, because it is free, but certainly expense of time invested on maintaining).
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I don't know what omz is doing, personally I don't care much, because I consider privacy important, but I hope the best for him. Sorry but I don't see an employment contract between us users and the developer, and I think it's a good thing that it doesn't exist...I'm sorry for you that you need to use the latest Python 3 features not present in Pythonista and you have spent money to buy (from what I understand) several Pythonista licenses for you and other people, thinking of making a good deal because, maybe, you were hoping that Pythonista would continue to be updated with the frequency of a few years ago. I have not spent so much (the equivalent of a pizza and drink) and above all, for what I have to do, the version of Pythonista I use is great for me (I almost completely ignore the benefits that I could have using the last version of python 3 in the things I do, also because the things I do concern things discovered many years ago by people like this, this, this, this, this ..., which have very little to do with python 3...).
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I have a very personal opinion about these things, I'm not a programmer and for me a tool is valid as long as I can use it in the things I have to do, I don't need updates if I can add (someone can add) some extra capabilities to version I use. So for me the version of Pythonista may have stopped at the one I use, but clearly only for me, not for others that take more advantage of using the updated version.
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I read about Pyto, it is very poweful, I would like to install it but the ios version that I use does not allow it and I have little free mem space, and I have no intention of updating the ios operating system for now with my phone. About python.org nobody can decide the fate of something in which he is not directly involved, many things happen or can happen in the future and we don't want it. For example I'm interested in environmental issues but I still use a diesel car, when diesel will cost more than electric I will change car. So new tool when I will need it or will be imposed on me by other things that I cannot govern (ie: global economy) ...
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About an updated version of Pythonista I am neither an optimist nor a pessimist because the version I use (an old one) is fine and I know that here there are people who, with their knowledge and intellectual abilities, manage to increase the power of this application with programming (with Python as well or objc). I'm not a big fan of software updates in general, even less if they concern only graphic updates. I would still use Windows XP if Microsoft continued to update it with security patches, new and useful functions, optimization of ram and cpu usage, etc ... but the abandonment of certain versions of certain software is often related to economic and marketing aspects (new operating system that requires more power means that we need new hardware, even if, with programming only, someone could give more power to existing softwares / operating systems if they were extensible, even if they are not open-source, but this would involve less money...).
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@Matteo ?
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@cvp, heh! I understand why it had to be done.
Also, nice comparison of the syntax of the two implementations.
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@cvp, does pyto need to be in the foreground for it to execute?
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@mikael Really, I don't know at all. No experience with Pyto but I suppose yes. For me all apps except for music, Bluetooth, GPS tracking need to be in foreground. But I can be wrong.
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@Guest said:
- And even if omz push Pythonista to App Store this time, how about the next version? We still have to wait for 2 years? After 2 years, I think Python 4.0 will be released, while we are still using Python 3.6.1. Guys, I really don't understand why are you so optimistic about all these things. Yeah, of course we can use it now and of course you can still use Windows XP and Python 2, just don't try to force all of the users to keep waiting Pythonista 3.3.
(long text, tldr below)
The reason I am optimistic about this is simple: I was never disappointed by Pythonista. When I first bought the original pythonista, I did not expect any updates at all. It was (and still is) working nicely and at that point already had way more features than the app I used previously. So when after a few month pythonista received an update, I was positively surprised.I do not remember what exactly the first update I experienced was, but since then we have gotten the ui, bluetooth and objc modules, none of which I expected to receive.
I believe that the displeasedness some users experience regarding these updates is a general change in mentallity that occured over the years. Products used to be finished, as in *if this app is working and has all promised features, there wont be an update. This is something that I observe increasingly frequently, especially with games. A few years ago, someone asked in the steam discussions "Is this game dead?". The response was quite fitting: No, it is finished. That used to be a thing.. While I am now steering off-topic, in the time before steam, updates were extremely rare. You had your cd/dvd and could install the game. Sometimes the developer published patches, but even these were few (most of the time 2 at most) in numbers. IMO, it is likely that the easy online update distribution let developers publish less polished and sometime incomplete products. Since fixes were needed, more updates were published. I believe this increased frequency in updates let to changed user expectations. Compared to this, updates simply used to be less needed.
Since I do not expect updates, every update is a posive developement (I get free content). No update is no negative developement (It still works and I still have the complete product I bought).
TL;DR: It is likely due to a changed mindset over time. I bought Pythonista as what I expected to be a complete product (which it was) and all updates are a positive developement.
- We already waited for 2 years, and you just keep waiting and begging omz to update? Did he show up? He just said, oh, I'm coming.And you just wait like a dog waiting for food. But what did he do? From early 2019 to the end of 2019.
As I wrote in some other threads before, pythonista's update cycles always used to be long. While this one is extraordinary long compared to the previous ones, it matters little. While some of the frequently requested features would be really nice, I can work perfectly fine with the current version of pythonista.
Also, while I understand some users may be upset about the appearant lack of developement, it simply does not matter for me. So what if there is no update? I bought a complete product and all updates are just a bonus. There is no requirement for omz to create any non-bugfix updates, and complaining about him taking too long to give us free stuff is just chosing-beggar style (please note that this is not aimed at you, I just want to explain my mindset here).
- Maybe you think it is normal for an application like this, but not for me and my friends.
This is it. It used to be normal. I personally believe that this is still what should be normal, but the (as written above) increasingly distribution of incomplete/unpolished products lead to a change in what is considered normal.
- And don't tell me about Pyto. Imaging that you installed Python 3.6.1 2 years ago and python.org didn't release any updates about python any more, and after waiting for 2 years, you are told that python.org will close in 2 days. What would you think? Just smile and then try other tools?
I am also super annoyed about the pyto spam, especially since I believe it to be inappropiate to mention it often in this forum. It costs money to host these forums and posting about pyto here is literally advertising competition.
That being said, I think most users mentioning pyto are just trying to be helpful. Some features have very little chance of being added to pythonista (like pandas), so mentioning pyto in this context is just trying to be constructive.
(Off-topic: python.org closing down would not cause any problems. Everything on there is likely available on hundreds of other websites. Its so important that we have enough redundancy for all content on there. Also, I personally see the newer versions of python not very attractive. Many of the new features seem unpythonic and straight up ugly, like PEP572 and some other stuff).
- I don't know why are you so optimistic. Maybe you are using WIndows XP, iOS 5.0 and Python2?
Yes, I am using python 2, though I am migrating to 3 slowly. That being said, I believe this to be a both an unfair and a wrong comparsion. Upgrading from Windows XP costs money, pythonistas updates are free. Just imagine the outcry if every pythonista update costs as much as the normal app (This actually did happen once, when upgrading to pythonista3, but this had so many new features that it was basically a new app. There were also lots of rabats for existing users. All other updates, however, were free).
After writing this, I now feel old...
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@bennr01 Agree with all, last line excluded. I don't feel old, I'm old 😀
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@bennr01 said:
posting about pyto here is literally advertising competition.
I'm sincerely sorry. I never wanted to advertise for Pyto. I can't imagine my life without Pythonista and I think that competition is very far from it and would never reach its quality and functionalities. It was only to show that Pythonista offers some way to dialog with an app like Pyto to use some absent features. In my case, I don't need them.