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This is the community forum for my apps Pythonista and Editorial.
For individual support questions, you can also send an email. If you have a very short question or just want to say hello — I'm @olemoritz on Twitter.
No update?
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@cvp, does pyto need to be in the foreground for it to execute?
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@mikael Really, I don't know at all. No experience with Pyto but I suppose yes. For me all apps except for music, Bluetooth, GPS tracking need to be in foreground. But I can be wrong.
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@Guest said:
- And even if omz push Pythonista to App Store this time, how about the next version? We still have to wait for 2 years? After 2 years, I think Python 4.0 will be released, while we are still using Python 3.6.1. Guys, I really don't understand why are you so optimistic about all these things. Yeah, of course we can use it now and of course you can still use Windows XP and Python 2, just don't try to force all of the users to keep waiting Pythonista 3.3.
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The reason I am optimistic about this is simple: I was never disappointed by Pythonista. When I first bought the original pythonista, I did not expect any updates at all. It was (and still is) working nicely and at that point already had way more features than the app I used previously. So when after a few month pythonista received an update, I was positively surprised.I do not remember what exactly the first update I experienced was, but since then we have gotten the ui, bluetooth and objc modules, none of which I expected to receive.
I believe that the displeasedness some users experience regarding these updates is a general change in mentallity that occured over the years. Products used to be finished, as in *if this app is working and has all promised features, there wont be an update. This is something that I observe increasingly frequently, especially with games. A few years ago, someone asked in the steam discussions "Is this game dead?". The response was quite fitting: No, it is finished. That used to be a thing.. While I am now steering off-topic, in the time before steam, updates were extremely rare. You had your cd/dvd and could install the game. Sometimes the developer published patches, but even these were few (most of the time 2 at most) in numbers. IMO, it is likely that the easy online update distribution let developers publish less polished and sometime incomplete products. Since fixes were needed, more updates were published. I believe this increased frequency in updates let to changed user expectations. Compared to this, updates simply used to be less needed.
Since I do not expect updates, every update is a posive developement (I get free content). No update is no negative developement (It still works and I still have the complete product I bought).
TL;DR: It is likely due to a changed mindset over time. I bought Pythonista as what I expected to be a complete product (which it was) and all updates are a positive developement.
- We already waited for 2 years, and you just keep waiting and begging omz to update? Did he show up? He just said, oh, I'm coming.And you just wait like a dog waiting for food. But what did he do? From early 2019 to the end of 2019.
As I wrote in some other threads before, pythonista's update cycles always used to be long. While this one is extraordinary long compared to the previous ones, it matters little. While some of the frequently requested features would be really nice, I can work perfectly fine with the current version of pythonista.
Also, while I understand some users may be upset about the appearant lack of developement, it simply does not matter for me. So what if there is no update? I bought a complete product and all updates are just a bonus. There is no requirement for omz to create any non-bugfix updates, and complaining about him taking too long to give us free stuff is just chosing-beggar style (please note that this is not aimed at you, I just want to explain my mindset here).
- Maybe you think it is normal for an application like this, but not for me and my friends.
This is it. It used to be normal. I personally believe that this is still what should be normal, but the (as written above) increasingly distribution of incomplete/unpolished products lead to a change in what is considered normal.
- And don't tell me about Pyto. Imaging that you installed Python 3.6.1 2 years ago and python.org didn't release any updates about python any more, and after waiting for 2 years, you are told that python.org will close in 2 days. What would you think? Just smile and then try other tools?
I am also super annoyed about the pyto spam, especially since I believe it to be inappropiate to mention it often in this forum. It costs money to host these forums and posting about pyto here is literally advertising competition.
That being said, I think most users mentioning pyto are just trying to be helpful. Some features have very little chance of being added to pythonista (like pandas), so mentioning pyto in this context is just trying to be constructive.
(Off-topic: python.org closing down would not cause any problems. Everything on there is likely available on hundreds of other websites. Its so important that we have enough redundancy for all content on there. Also, I personally see the newer versions of python not very attractive. Many of the new features seem unpythonic and straight up ugly, like PEP572 and some other stuff).
- I don't know why are you so optimistic. Maybe you are using WIndows XP, iOS 5.0 and Python2?
Yes, I am using python 2, though I am migrating to 3 slowly. That being said, I believe this to be a both an unfair and a wrong comparsion. Upgrading from Windows XP costs money, pythonistas updates are free. Just imagine the outcry if every pythonista update costs as much as the normal app (This actually did happen once, when upgrading to pythonista3, but this had so many new features that it was basically a new app. There were also lots of rabats for existing users. All other updates, however, were free).
After writing this, I now feel old...
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@bennr01 Agree with all, last line excluded. I don't feel old, I'm old 😀
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@bennr01 said:
posting about pyto here is literally advertising competition.
I'm sincerely sorry. I never wanted to advertise for Pyto. I can't imagine my life without Pythonista and I think that competition is very far from it and would never reach its quality and functionalities. It was only to show that Pythonista offers some way to dialog with an app like Pyto to use some absent features. In my case, I don't need them.
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I see nothing wrong with mentioning both Pythonista and Pyto in the forum. They each have different strengths and weaknesses.
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Ole is back on Twitter and there is a new version of Editorial
And the new version of Pythonista will come soon.
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OMZ @olemoritz
Thank you so much for your wonderful Pythonista app. I use it constantly every single day. For my use, Pythonista is perfect in its current state. I wish you well. -
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@Guest ,
It is apparent to anyone following omz on Twitter that Ole has been away for quite some time at least in part to heal from some sort of mental illness combined with intentionally holding back on the updates and new features of a new product while he thinks about/tries out various types of offerings and updates such as free and pro versions of the next version of Pythonista and Editorial In any case, it would appear that the stress of managing and updating these apps in a way that both suits his needs to draw an income and pay bills with revenue from these apps and be a good thing for all the current and future users of Pythonista and Editorial, may be factor in the mental illness he has been dealing with for the past two years. If so, your constant baiting and taunting him (you and some others) with remarks such as ( I paraphrase) "la la Pythonista is falling down, falling down, falling down la lala..." make it abundantly clear that you (and some others) firstly fail to realize that there is actually a real human being named Ole who produced/produces Pythonista and Editorial , who has feelings, who uses revenue from these two apps to pay real bills, who did not create them just for your benefit and of some of the people out there who think and strongly believe that because they slapped down ten bucks a couple of years ago to purchase a LICENSE to USE Pythonista, that this, in itself, grants you some ownership of them and their author and that you somehow DESERVE future updates/new features (as opposed to bug fixes to correct defective code you licensed). As others in this thread have remarked, Pythonista 3,x is a FINISHED, versioned, product and grants you usage of it, as is, as it was at the time you installed it. Any further enhancements or improvements are COMPLETELY at the discretion of their author, though any good author with a dedicated group of users will want ro take their opinions on such things into consideration.The point I am trying to make is,that there is really no room here on this forum for any negative remarks about Ole and this app that are not constructive and only serve to annoy the users of this forum and probably Ole as well.
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I mentioned it before. Sadly with no comment at that time. We can support Ole and we can go to the App Store and select „Send a gift“. You can chose your own email address. And even if you buy this today and have to pay tomorrow again for a new version of Pythonista, it is worth it. After send a gift you can use the code later and send it later to a friend. You can do this every year, month, day or even every minute.
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If Ole will provide us a PayPal email address, this would be an alternative and will get him 100% of the money
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Editorial was updated to version 1.3.4 with iPhone X support just now ...
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@wnMark said:
If Ole will provide us a PayPal email address, this would be an alternative and will get him 100% of the money
He could have problems if Apple knows that
