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Some thoughts on why Pythonista is 2-3x more popular than Editorial
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I agree with the "bunch of best workflows" idea but think it might have copyright issues.
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I agree with the "bunch of best workflows" idea but think it might have copyright issues.
I obviously wouldn't include user-made workflows without asking the authors, but another problem with a lot of the best workflows is that they often assume a particular setup, e.g. usage of a certain web service (Evernote, Wordpress...), or they only make sense for a very specific kind of writing...
I've tried to make the ~10 bundled workflows as generally-useful as possible, and I don't want to include anything that would require some sort of manual setup (e.g. changing API keys...).
I'm open to suggestions for other workflows to include though, either existing community workflows or even just ideas (if it's possible to build them with Editorial's workflow system).
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@jonmoore - Just out of curiosity, but what prompted this post? Is @omz not happy with the sales of Editorial to date?
I'm not surprised Pythonista is selling better. Those who want to tinker in Python are more likely to do it in a more general-purpose app. Editorial is aimed at text/document manipulation, and most people who write don't even do it in Markdown, so it's naturally difficult for a plaintext writing app to dominate the "writing app" space.
@MartinPacker - Arguably, any workflow in the workflow directory could be included by default. I just don't know that it's necessary, given that users can just search there directly. Perhaps a better in-app method of accessing the workflow directory would help, though.
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@jonmoore - Just out of curiosity, but what prompted this post? Is @omz not happy with the sales of Editorial to date?
In a different thread, @MartinPacker wondered why I would continue Pythonista at all, "now that Editorial is well established". I said that Pythonista is more successful commercially, but I didn't mean that I'm unhappy with Editorial's sales at all.
Perhaps a better in-app method of accessing the workflow directory would help, though.
I agree. The workflow directory will be more integrated in 1.1, though I'm always a bit worried about Apple's review guidelines. The workflow directory is already in kind of a gray area, since it's officially not allowed to download executable code at all...
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In my case, I found Editorial because I found Pythonista, and then followed the “other apps” link.
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Then I think we have a deal. :-) @omz is working on better access to workflows.
I found Pythonista long before Editorial. I think it was probably Brett Terpstra or Federico Viticci who made me aware of Editorial.
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i'd add some example UI Examples like the calculator (shown in your post of the ui module) or somethong cool
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Just out of curiosity, but what prompted this post?
I just wanted to stimulate some conversation that might be helpful to Ole as he prepares for the public launch of 1.1.
I think the integration of TaskPaper functionality will widen the audience but there's some really great workflows that help show how Editorial can shine scattered around in different places not just in the 'official' repository.
As a starter for 10, here's a bunch that I think are worthy of inclusion. Some of them may already be in the bundle that come with Editorial on first install (it's a long time ago for me!) so be gentle. Also I've renamed a lot of stuff so they may not match those exactly from the official repository.
Here goes (and these are those that don't rely on x-callback with 3rd party apps):
Search stuff:
- Search Google/Wiki via internal browser
- Global Search
Markdown Tools:
- Create Markdown Link (from internal browser. The Federico Viticci version is the best I've come across as it allows you to choose between inline & reference links)
- Create Markdown Link (from clipboard, one of mine based on the above but obviously doesn't grab the page title too as the clipboard only has a single item of data)
- Create Markdown Image link
- Convert Markdown Links (uploaded three of these at the weekend)
- Create unordered list (useful if you've grabbed a list from somewhere else without MD formatting)
- Create numbered list (as above)
- Paste As - Block Quote, Code Block, Paragraph
- Wrap selection (double quotes, HTML blockquote et)
- Create footnote
- List URL's
Text Tools:
Most of my text tool actions use the third party TextTool app but Editorial has a bunch of useful stuff in it's actions catalogue that could be bundled as a 'select from list' (added benefit that you can easily chain stuff together this way)
Copy/Pastboard tools:
These are self explanatory but worth mentioning that many people don't realise how useful the Copy Bookmark URL action is for creating wiki style links to other docs in your library.
Other stuff:
I constantly make use of the 'evaluate math inline' action and I think it's probably a good idea to include a some 'open in' type stuff for the bundled Apple apps that have a URL scheme like the reminders app (seeing as editorial doesn't provide 'open in' as standard).
I'm not suggesting for a second that all of these should be included but these are some of these workflows are essential to me on a daily basis.
I'm a musician as well as being a UX consultant and I make use of apps like Native Instruments 'Reaktor' & Cycling 74's 'Max/MSP' (effectively visual programming environments for the creation of musical applications/instruments). With both of these apps the majority of my learning came about by deconstructing the stuff that came bundled in the library. Editorial is a very different beast but theuser learning path is very similar.
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There are some parts of Editorial I like more than pythonista, but Editorial isn't a true superset of the Pythonista features. For example, for some reason when running certain python scripts editorial seems to crash more often. For me, usually at a console input (raw_input). The editor.get_file_contents method would be real nice in pythonista, but that might cause some TOS issues with Apple.
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seems to crash more often. For me, usually at a console input (rawinput).
Is this (more or less) reproducible for you? If so, could you show me a script that causes this crash? I've seen a lot of crash reports coming in that seem to be related to
raw_input
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Nevermind, I think I just found a pretty likely explanation for this sort of crash...
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I circumvented the issue by replacing all raw_inputs with a console.input_alerts. As I incrementally replaces the raw_input function the crashing occurred occasionally at the remaining raw_input functions. Sometimes the first instance of hitting the input, and sometimes a subsequent instance.
It is a random generator script that loads a file of random generators (on dropbox) and asks which random generator to run. It generates story prompts, random locations, items, names etc. If you want I can include it but it is over 300 lines long, so not the shortest thing to include on a forum.