@cvp I turned on the log and immediately got an error on line 1081 saying Outliner object has no attribute log_fil

@cvp Wow! I will test as soon as I am able (probably not before this evening).

@cvp when using the external keyboard, tab (demote) shows as ‘09’ as does shift tab (promote).

@cvp OK ,need to find how to do that for tab and shift tab.

@cvp I'm only mentioning it now because I will forget otherwise :-)

@cvp could we at some point add support for external keyboard tab and back tab?

@cvp I think that the show and hide children function would be better done as a symbol to the left of the item rather than in the double tap menu.

@cvp Of course not. I wish there were an easier way to show what I've done to get the errors. I use video but that means doing a screen recording, uploading to vimeo, getting a link and copying it to the forum. I think I will try to write down what I do since I can't remember it well enough to reconstruct it once I hit a bug. Perhaps a debug log could be created so that I could send you that each time I find something?

@cvp got things working again. Was able to do some moves. After promoting and moving an item, I managed to get into this state:
https://imgur.com/a/NxJFpk2

I meant to mention that there is bug where if you create a file, never save and start rhe program it gives an error about the .prm file not finding the file.

@cvp I just tried with v0.0.15 but was not able to get either double tap or long press to work at all.

@cvp I will test the new version later this morning but my problem is that getting either the double tap or the drag function to work is hit or miss with it working only sporadically. I am afraid that adding to many options to the menu may make it rather confusing and awkward but let me test some more with V00.14.

@cvp running the latest version. I am having a lot of trouble selecting portions of the outline to move. Is there a trick? I am getting the ordinary apple cut/paste menu when I long press. Perhaps the font needs to be larger as well (or my fingers are too large :-)

@cvp I was virtually certain that I had but I just redid it and it seems to be working again. I find that doing a long press on the iPhone, especially given the size of the font, is rather difficult. I just created an outline and did some moves and ended up with the following:
1.0_a
2.0_g
3.0_cc
3.0_b
3.2_dd
3.2.1_eee
3.2.2_fff
4.0_h

I did not knowingly change anything but I decided to test on an iPhone so it is possible i lost something.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/private/var/mobile/Containers/Shared/AppGroup/6CCAAFF1-947E-4DC8-B33B-58EE87A0823C/Pythonista3/Documents/outline.py", line 1869, in <module>
main()
File "/private/var/mobile/Containers/Shared/AppGroup/6CCAAFF1-947E-4DC8-B33B-58EE87A0823C/Pythonista3/Documents/outline.py", line 1865, in main
mv = Outliner()
File "/private/var/mobile/Containers/Shared/AppGroup/6CCAAFF1-947E-4DC8-B33B-58EE87A0823C/Pythonista3/Documents/outline.py", line 527, in init
doubletap(self.tv, self.doubletap_handler)
NameError: name 'doubletap' is not defined

@cvp Line 1150 tap is not defined. Did i lose something?

@cvp different error: https://vimeo.com/562920493

@cvp I am not quite sure how I created that outline and got the error but here’s another video which gives a list index out of range. It may or may not be related. There is a small problem I found where if I don’t save the outline and then the next time I try to create a new outline with the same name it says that the file already exists but if I try to load that empty file I get an error.
https://vimeo.com/562914682
I will try to be more systematic and record what I do before getting an error.

That is true although i just tried doing a copy/paste with the notebook app and somehow it knows to copy the parent with its children although i think i found a bug with that, so maybe ignore that case.

Unrelated, i just did a few drags using the latest version and got this.
https://imgur.com/a/RCH9NQo

I was referring to the standard Apple copy/paste menu.

1. I think that would be fine. I rarely need CR within an item
2. Yes, I think the same font would be better
3. For the drag/drop UI only move but copy/paste with the usual menu.
4. I think always move with children (but not siblings)